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Hi,
Im on Test, GH, HCG, B12, Armor Thyorid, Cortisol. Also tons of supplements, tons! Had Adrenal Fatigue, immune system issues, etc….I was on 4 grains of thyroid for 3-4 months and didnt feel a thing, and my lab levels didnt show a big jump at all either…so I went up to 5 then 6 grains, still not feeling a darn thing…doc thought I would by now, or that eventually Id know i went past my sweet spot when I started getting negative side effects like anxiousness, jitters, etc….I dont feel anything and Im now on 7 grains of Armor Thyroid…what could be the deal????
Test 200mg week
GH 1mg day
Cortisol 10mg AM, 5mg afternoon
Thyroid 7 grains first thing in AM empty stomach
HCG 250iu 3x week
Adex .25mg 3x weekAny input on the Thyroid not doing a thing?? Doc said we can ramp it up slowly to 8 grains, then possibly wean off it if I do not feel it maybe it just doesnt work for me, unless i wean off and at certain dose start feeling crappy or lacking energy etc…
Any help or suggestions on what to get done on next labs in a month to try to sort this out?
Ive been eating strict, working out, etc, and cannot get past 25% bodyfat, when prior to my 3 year nightmare of medical problems and illness I was 10-14% at most my entire life!!! I dropped 30 pounds in a few months once starting HRT, but my BF has not been dropping much or like I would want to be “normal” again.
Anyone frequent these boards anymore? I see my doc next week, and if I had some pointers or suggestions on what to test for on next labs Im sure he would gladly do them.
Yes, I have a suggestion. Call Dr. Mariano for an appointment. You will stop spinning your wheels and be well taken care of.
Do you have confirmed low testosterone or significantly low IGF-1 to be on those HRT’s?
In all honesty they can sometimes do more harm than good. Myself i have a autoimmune thyroid condition (low thyroid) which was causing my low testosterone. So once i got on that 3 grains my Testosterone tripled into high normal range. My IGF-1 remained low as well as free Test until i got on cortisol for adrenal support now both are up their and im feeling much better. So by treating thyroid/adrenals for myself which was the main cause i ended up fixing everything else.
Do you have baseline labs when you werent on Hormone replacement therapy?
Please be more specific on which symptoms you are experiencing so i could offer more assistance.
Only thing i could say is with not being able to lose weight and a high amount of Bodyfat you could be having Insulin issues. Insulin Resistance or otherwise which something like GH replacement therapy could be making worse.
How is your digestion? How are your moods? Any hypo symptoms?
Thank you so much for your reply. When I have time to get into depth I will, Ill look up an old posting on this forum that has a lot of my background info as I started HRT.
Yes I went to 3 doctors who all confirmed low T, thyroid, and IGF 1.
Prior to 3 years of major illness, I was a full time police officer, SWAT on one of the best teams in the country in my opinion, a Division I strength and conditioning coach who still worked out alongside the athletes who now some are in the NFL and NBA, was very lean normally 10-12% bodyfat, and 230-245 lbs with the hitting 245 pounds taking effort like 6k calories a day around the clock…after 3 years of being sick with infections, I was 270 at like 30% bodyfat ugh…all of it in my midsection…and yes during the ill periods I had horrible digestion, they thought I had cancer or chrons, but I had tons of tests from various doctors and hospitals that confirmed I didnt have any disease. Hell before all of this I never got sick, only had sports injuries. Ive never had a cavity, chicken pox, poison ivy or anything even like that!! I worked two full time jobs in addition to running an athletic ministry my entire adult life! I went to very respectable undergrad schools with quality academics, played football with great success, as well competed in powerlifting, went on to grad school and did MMA heavily, continued training with the Ivy League athletes I coached at the time, and up until an initial injury about 4 years ago was a freak athlete and work out addict…had a minor injury, doctor botched the surgery, had infections, corrective surgeries, supposedly I was overmedicated on anti biotics for various things and that what was making me very sick, in addition to being on like 8 other freaking medications around those 3 pelvic floor surgeries and then a bicep that ripped off the bone and had to be reattached which was random.
I do not have baseline Test, IGF, or thyroid…but seeing that at 31 I was working two jobs that were crazy physically demanding (SWAT and college strength coach), I was 10% bodyfat at 245, hang cleaning 350 for reps, squatting 600 for reps, could run with college athletes in sprint intervals, agility, etc….I could sleep 3 hours a day and be hyper, happy, strong, clear headed, etc….I imagine my Test, GH, was well beyond the normal average male. Heck I was around college athletes and coaches, and SWAT guys, and people joked all the time how in the hell did I live the way I did, running on “adrenaline, testosterone, and caffeine” one of my bosses joked. FYI since doctors have asked before, I was CLEAN ie no steroids or drugs, I was a cop, running ministries, and never needed a thing to be strong or athletic until now. Ive never even smoked weed for Gods sake.
In the past 6 months ive dropped from 270 to 237, but still 25% BF….moods are fine, Im doing really well actually…8 months ago I was a mess, being forced to retire from jobs I loved, being totally in pain all the time, totally fatigued with no energy, I was horrible….now Im feeling very chill, doing nuerofeedback meditation twice a week, doing retreats when I find them, taking a lot of time for “chilling out” which wasnt really something I did a ton before being retired because I was working all the time…so Im not having mood swings at all. Feeling pretty good actually compared to last 4 years.
I can take 7 grains of thyroid and not feel a thing, I could and do go back to sleep. I wake up 5am normally, take it, and used to go walk or go do something, but been going back to sleep for 2 hours. So its like Im not feeling a thing from a crazy high dose of thyroid, and of course I cant stand my bodyfat being so dang high when my entire life I was a lean athlete.
@MetalMX 2722 wrote:
Do you have confirmed low testosterone or significantly low IGF-1 to be on those HRT’s?
In all honesty they can sometimes do more harm than good. Myself i have a autoimmune thyroid condition (low thyroid) which was causing my low testosterone. So once i got on that 3 grains my Testosterone tripled into high normal range. My IGF-1 remained low as well as free Test until i got on cortisol for adrenal support now both are up their and im feeling much better. So by treating thyroid/adrenals for myself which was the main cause i ended up fixing everything else.
Do you have baseline labs when you werent on Hormone replacement therapy?
Please be more specific on which symptoms you are experiencing so i could offer more assistance.
Only thing i could say is with not being able to lose weight and a high amount of Bodyfat you could be having Insulin issues. Insulin Resistance or otherwise which something like GH replacement therapy could be making worse.
How is your digestion? How are your moods? Any hypo symptoms?
It seems to me that these infections which you mentioned might have trigger your spiral into ill health as well as antibiotic use killing off your good bowel flora. You could still maybe have a hidden infection affecting you. What i would do if i was in your position is get a CDSA (Conmplete digestive stool analysis) done with genova diagnostics. This will tell you if you do have any possible infections and if so how to eliminate them. This can screw your whole endocrine system too.
Likely a good complete probiotic supplement would be your friend to reestablish health bowel flora and prevent infections reoccuring as well as fight any ones that might be possibly active but hidden.
I would get off all hormone replacement as well and have baseline readings. If thyroid is the primary cause for example that would cause low T and low IGF-1. All the stress you we’re under has also likely caused a case of adrenal fatigue.
Seems like your are oversupplementing hormones and supplements which is just causing further problems for your body. You need to find the primary cause and once you find it tackle it then all the other pieces of the puzzle will fall into place.
What is your body temperature?
What is your diet at the moment can you give a rough outline? Do you experience hypoglycaemia or feeling shaky or anything that would indicate low blood sugar symptoms?
Do you wake up frequently during the night?
I have been on a lot of probiotics, and I know for sure they have done tremendous things…I really am not having digestive issues at all anymore, where before I could drink a glass of water or eat something clean and my body would freak out, bloat and sick gut, horrible bowel issues, etc…Im cleared up in that area, no issues and even if I cheat and have a cup of coffee or glass of wine here and there, no problems…before it would kill me…
I do not know what you meant by baseline readings, if you meant prior to me being sick, No i dont have them…if its prior to starting HRT, yes I have like 23 pages of them, different doctors did them over a years period, with the last doctor doing an ungodly amount of lab work that the lady drawing blood was like WOW…so Ive been checked for a ton, a ton…ive also had saliva cortisol tests done, urine, and some other thyroid tests supposedly doing things to my arm…
No clue what my body temp is…
Yes I wake often, or rather I wake up after 4 hours of sleep than its hit or miss off and on, but honestly for a decade I only slept 3-4 hours a night so dont know if thats just my natural pattern…I couldnt tell you even when I was healthy that I slept straight 7-8 hours, never been one to sleep in or hang out in bed, not even when I was depressed over retirement.
No I dont think I show any signs of low blood sugar, not that I can tell, dont feel shakes or anything…
Diet sticking to Living Fuel shakes 1-2 times a day, then basically meat and veggies, pretty clean.
@MetalMX 2726 wrote:
It seems to me that these infections which you mentioned might have trigger your spiral into ill health as well as antibiotic use killing off your good bowel flora. You could still maybe have a hidden infection affecting you. What i would do if i was in your position is get a CDSA (Conmplete digestive stool analysis) done with genova diagnostics. This will tell you if you do have any possible infections and if so how to eliminate them. This can screw your whole endocrine system too.
Likely a good complete probiotic supplement would be your friend to reestablish health bowel flora and prevent infections reoccuring as well as fight any ones that might be possibly active but hidden.
I would get off all hormone replacement as well and have baseline readings. If thyroid is the primary cause for example that would cause low T and low IGF-1. All the stress you we’re under has also likely caused a case of adrenal fatigue.
Seems like your are oversupplementing hormones and supplements which is just causing further problems for your body. You need to find the primary cause and once you find it tackle it then all the other pieces of the puzzle will fall into place.
What is your body temperature?
What is your diet at the moment can you give a rough outline? Do you experience hypoglycaemia or feeling shaky or anything that would indicate low blood sugar symptoms?
Do you wake up frequently during the night?
Have you read the book “Adrenal Fatigue, The 21 Century Syndrome”? Dr. Mariano recommeded it to me. Excellent book! You are in it. Only the name has been changed. It is not normal or ok to have 3 hours of sleep and live on adrenaline and caffiene. That and your injuries with the subsequent surgeries and meds have messed you up. You need a doctor who knows exactly what to do with you and Dr. M can do that. You can search around all you want for information but without a special doctor you will never figure it out. He fixed me!
Castrated, you say you have been tested and somewhat “treated by” 3 Doctors and you still are not happy with the overall outcome and satisfaction of how you feel after all the effort, time, medications, Doctor appointments, etc…? I can relate to your frustration and desire to “feel well again” I spent approximately 15 years and went thru at least 20 Doctors, and at least 60 different Rx medications tried and tested on me and it was in August 2009, when I finally felt SO SICK AND TIRED OF BEING SICK AND TIRED, as it was at that point in my life where my mind and body was telling me that “I just may be dying” because I truly felt so exhausted etc…, that I was only able to be awake and active for about 2 hours out of the day, and all I wanted to do was “crawl under the blankets and sleep thru life !”. Well, I finally saved up enough money to set up an appointment with Dr. Mariano, who I had been researching his medical talent via Forums and his writings etc. I was lucky because I live only 30 minutes from his office. Bottom line is, Dr.Mariano was able to “Bring me back to life” so to speak and he accomplished a miraculous turnaround in my well being in only 7 months of treatment than what 20 other Doctors for at least 15 years COULD NOT accomplish ! I see that you are on “The West Coast”. If I were you and if you seriously want answers and results for your medical conditions, I would highly recommend that you call his office to set up an appointment to be seen by Dr. Mariano !!!! People come from other States and countries, I believe, to receive THE BEST medical treatment from such a extraordinary genious of a Doctor, such as Dr. M is !!! Dr. M is awesome and he GET’S RESULTS for his patients !!! If I were you I would establish yourself as one of his patients ASAP, as it just may be that since he is expanding his practice soon, he may just become so busy with a swarm of new patients and in such HIGH DEMAND, that those who are lucky enough to be a patient of his (like me) will be VERY FORTUNATE to have the privelege to be treated
by him ! I’m glad I made the decision to finally go see him !!! “I feel ALIVE AGAIN, because of Dr.M’s extraordinary medical talent and genious mind. Good luck ! I hope you do wellThanks to both of you for your comments. Yes Ive read the book-and when I read it I felt that way “Holy &**% this is all about ME!!”….
I live in the LA area, I am happy with my doctor right now compared to the past 4 years of hell…I am getting better, way better…but the thyroid thing annoys me that Im on such a high dose and dont feel a thing….Im working out again, I have energy and cognitive function again (I felt like half in the grave for a while), and I feel pretty good overall compared to last 4 years….I love my current doctor, and e after some of things that happened to me Im not totally trusting and all affectionate about doctors…
I am medically retired, and do not have much cash other than week to week living expenses…I do have great BC/BS PPO benefits, so maybe if he took partial insurance it would be worth a trip for a consultation…there is a catch though, since Im on workers comp I have to stick to certain doctors, and my current doctor is amazing, and I would want to and have to actually stick with him or I could get thrown back into the crappy work comp doctors pool which normally is shove tons of pain killers and other narcotics in me…so if I went I might consider it for consultations to go back to my doctor in LA who is very good and very open minded, likes to learn, and probably would be on board with it.
That’s funny you did see yourself in that book. I know a lot of people in there!
I was on one thyroid medication and it wasn’t working for me so we switched to another and it is working.
I think Dr.M will consult with another doctor about treatment. Obviously that is not for free but maybe your doctor wouldn’t mind doing that for you. Just a thought!
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