Dr. Crisler wrote that elevated DHT can cause anxiety…how exactly ?

[chipdouglas]

How ”exactly” does elevated DHT cause anxiety ? I believe there’s an answer somewhere.

I know that DHT blocks cortisol at the GR–I know that much.

It’s sound that I at least try to find out, since this is the one hormone in me that’s the most elevated.

Is there any way known to science that this could bring on consistent low libido indirectly ?

[pmgamer18]

If your levels are high and it keeps you up at night you can take a supplement to bring it down.
http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ps/
Phil
@chipdouglas 1547 wrote:

How ”exactly” does elevated DHT cause anxiety ? I believe there’s an answer somewhere.

I know that DHT blocks cortisol at the GR–I know that much.

It’s sound that I at least try to find out, since this is the one hormone in me that’s the most elevated.

Is there any way known to science that this could bring on consistent low libido indirectly ?

[wondering]

Phil – PS is to lower Cortisol not DHT.

For DHT… if on Transdermal can change to Test. Cyp injections.

To lower it directly you’re talking about something like Finasteride which noone would recommend.

@pmgamer18 1548 wrote:

If your levels are high and it keeps you up at night you can take a supplement to bring it down.
http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ps/
Phil

[chipdouglas]

@wondering 1550 wrote:

Phil – PS is to lower Cortisol not DHT.

For DHT… if on Transdermal can change to Test. Cyp injections.

To lower it directly you’re talking about something like Finasteride which noone would recommend.

Yes, we’re talking finasteride, and indeed not something I’d want to try. I’m not on TRT/HRT. I’m on nothing at all, but my serum DHT is off the chart.

[wondering]

hmmm…have you had a 24 hr Urine test. How are your Cortisol levels.

Perhaps, PS may help if high. I believe very high DHT can mean excessive sympathetic nervous system signaling. If Cortisol is high, then perhaps PS could help.

@chipdouglas 1552 wrote:

Yes, we’re talking finasteride, and indeed not something I’d want to try. I’m not on TRT/HRT. I’m on nothing at all, but my serum DHT is off the chart.

[chipdouglas]

@wondering 1558 wrote:

hmmm…have you had a 24 hr Urine test. How are your Cortisol levels.

Perhaps, PS may help if high. I believe very high DHT can mean excessive sympathetic nervous system signaling. If Cortisol is high, then perhaps PS could help.

The last 24-hour urinary cortisol essay I had was a few years ago, and I have to do battle with my doc to get any test. However when I had it done, it came in low normal.

Now, more recent test for serum cortisol shows it is high normal.

My libiod has recently picked up noticeably mainly from black tea (I’m trying green tea now to see whether I can get the same outcome).

I know that about 30 or so minutes after having black tea I get spontaneous hard-ons and sex drive goes up noticeably, but it doesn’t last–I have to keep taking black it if I want it to remain this way.

Two studies on black tea that are relevant :

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T8D-4SF304K-2&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=994635123&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=e564c76f79571bdf712e109f1ce467fc

http://www.hairloss-research.org/UpdateTestosteroneEffectsonBlackTea.html

http://www.hairloss-research.org/UpdateBlacktea7-09.html

I often hear the term : man up over at the other board. It’s easy to point fingers at those who seem to not man up–after ten years of this shit, I think it’s only human and completely normal to have downs every now and then. I’m sick of the man up call–it’s irrelevant and doesn’t provide any real solution……it’s just a male thing that male say when they have no idea what’s wrong.

Having said that, I’m in no way directing this at you–It occured to me now so I’m posting this.

I don’t know whether I should be laughing about this or not, but it looks as though I’ve exhausted one or two discussion boards.

[chipdouglas]

@chipdouglas 1559 wrote:

The last 24-hour urinary cortisol essay I had was a few years ago, and I have to do battle with my doc to get any test. However when I had it done, it came in low normal.

Now, more recent test for serum cortisol shows it is high normal.

My libiod has recently picked up noticeably mainly from black tea (I’m trying green tea now to see whether I can get the same outcome).

I know that about 30 or so minutes after having black tea I get spontaneous hard-ons and sex drive goes up noticeably, but it doesn’t last–I have to keep taking black it if I want it to remain this way.

Two studies on black tea that are relevant :

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T8D-4SF304K-2&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=994635123&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=e564c76f79571bdf712e109f1ce467fc

http://www.hairloss-research.org/UpdateTestosteroneEffectsonBlackTea.html

http://www.hairloss-research.org/UpdateBlacktea7-09.html

I often hear the term : man up over at the other board. It’s easy to point fingers at those who seem to not man up–after ten years of this shit, I think it’s only human and completely normal to have downs every now and then. I’m sick of the man up call–it’s irrelevant and doesn’t provide any real solution……it’s just a male thing that male say when they have no idea what’s wrong.

Having said that, I’m in no way directing this at you–It occured to me now so I’m posting this.

I don’t know whether I should be laughing about this or not, but it looks as though I’ve exhausted one or two discussion boards.

One more thing about me that is kind of frustrating to an extent is I’m currently doing a bachelor degree in nursing, so have little money to invest on docs–but that’s not like I didn’t a few years ago–it cost me a little fortune to see Dr. Braverman in NYC, plus many local docs. So this is WHY i’m looking for online help through these discussion boards. I’Ve been asked about getting blood works and I sure did, but it didn’t help pinpoint what’s wrong. I guess I’m asking for way too much here–nothing is ever really that clear-cut when it comes to health, unless we’re talking about the end result of some underlying issue that may manifest as an MI etc.

Thanks for reading Wondering

[Pat Quigley]

if I recall correctly, progesterone opposes DHT. damned if I can remember the source of that information. I wonder if taking pregnenolone would counter the DHT?

[chipdouglas]

@Pat Quigley 1562 wrote:

if I recall correctly, progesterone opposes DHT. damned if I can remember the source of that information. I wonder if taking pregnenolone would counter the DHT?

Progesterone does help keep DHT in check.

[AlexanderDenmark]

Black tea probably just raises your libido because the caffeine stimulates your adrenals. I think it would be a poor solution for your problem.

[chipdouglas]

@AlexanderDenmark 1638 wrote:

Black tea probably just raises your libido because the caffeine stimulates your adrenals. I think it would be a poor solution for your problem.

Yes, though the study I posted showed decreased serum DHT, there’s also caffeine in it, and it’d be relevant for caffeine to boost my libido–though in someone who’s already overstimulated, I’m not sure, it’s a very good idea–I’ve stopped drinking tea for days now.

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