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I have an MD who practices naturopathic medicine in GA.
Anyways, I am also on 1 grain armour, numbers are great.
I have all the symptoms of adrenal fatigue. My AM cortisol was in range (17), and a random cortisol was 4.8 at just before noon. Natural DHEA levels low. Glucose a little high (thought glucose low in AF).
I had a period of exceptional stress from 2000 – 2007. Now my stress is “less”, but high. Heavy duty hours at work, unexpectedly pregnant wife.
Is it possible with those numbers to have adrenal fatigue?
I am emotionally, psychically and physically burnt out. My ability to handle stress is next to nil, and I keep feeling as if I have a number issues which keep drowning me wave over wave. Something always comes up. Now it’s a layoff with a baby due in weeks. I am seriously considering prozac again…I felt well on it. I have also heard it can somehow help AF. My scariest symptom is I get angry sometimes (NOT going to hurt myself or others). I think of things from the past, and I can tend to dwell on them and focus on the bad, the wife will say something and I get mad… I feel like I’m going to have a stroke sometimes. I think I also might be working out some PTSD from the 2000-2008 events. Wow, it felt good to get that out. Aren’t forums great?
My doc started me on 5 mg HC once a day, in the morning when I take my armour. I am hoping it helps, but I am also scared to death because of the horror stories I’ve heard about HC. Is 5 mg – 10 mg per day a safe dose? Am I compromising my immunity? Getting glaucoma? Making my bones more brittle (which I’m already worried about because of arimidex)? If I feel better did I need it (therapeutic trial)?
He said it is not forever and we can wean off in time, though I don’t know how or when. In the meantime, I am taking DHEA, pregnenolone, melatonin and GABA and ZMA at bedtime. I’m worried I’m crippling my adrenals (BTW did I mention my anxiety disorder, lol…I worry about everything).
Also, I take testosterone injections, HCG and arimidex. My normal AM test was just above 300, and I had major fatigue, profound exhaustion, inability to get and stay motivated, and erections were so-so.
My T levels are now upper third. My doctor and I are going to give HCG a try by itself to see if we can get rid of the need for arimidex. I am worried about my bones and cholesterol. I also feel my best on my HCG days.
Dr. M, is it preferrable to be on HCG monotherapy over testosterone, etc…? The arimidex scares me long term. What is the best dosing schedule to try mono? how would one taper from IM test to HCG only? Any thoughts on the adrenal fatigue?
Did I mention I hate anxiety…
Thanks all you guys…
I have only a few seconds to answer one topic.
In regard to HCG monotherapy, HCG acts similarly to LH in stimulating the production of testosterone from the testes. Additionally, however, HCG stimulates the production of aromatase. Aromatase is the enzyme that converts testosterone to estradiol. The problem of having more aromatase is that in certain men, testosterone is too strongly converted to estradiol, causing side effects of excessive estrogen. HCG use will lead to higher estrogen production than testosterone alone since aromatase is also increased.
Estradiol gives stronger negative feedback to the hypothalamus than testosterone. It, ultimately, is what is preferably measured by the hypothalamus to determine if testosterone needs to be made. Testosterone also provides negative feedback to the hypothalamus. Its signal is stronger if adequate progesterone is also available.
HCG will also increase progesterone production. Progesterone is the precursor for testosterone in the testes.
I feel adding HCG is about dose taking more then your cells can handle makes more E2 Estradiol and other hormones then one needs. Like Dr. M says and he knows you don’t need this but your all reading on Arimidex. Do you know if your Secondary or Primary I am Hypopituitary due to a head injury. For the first 23 yrs on TRT doing every kind of TRT med on the market I never felt 100%.
When I added HCG my levels doubled this did it for me now we knew I was not Primary but am Secondary so my dose of HCG makes more the half of my testosterone levels. I do use Arimidex to keep my Estradiol levels down but I was on this long before adding HCG. Most men I know that are Secondary don’t do will on just HCG but do better mixing it with Testosterone meds. The problems is using more then your body can handle being Primary or Secondary will make a lot of Estradiol then you want.
So it’s better if your going to try this to start low test in 8 weeks if more is needed add a little 25 to 50 IU’s at a time hold 8 weeks test repeat.
I get by doing 70mgs of Depo T every 3 days and 400 IU’s of HCG the 2 days each in between my T shots. But I eat up the T as fast as I make or take it. I keep my Estradiol levels in check doing .25 mgs every 2 or 3 days for me Estradiol changes from month to month. Just remember more is not better.
Phil@chaos 46 wrote:
I have an MD who practices naturopathic medicine in GA.
Anyways, I am also on 1 grain armour, numbers are great.
I have all the symptoms of adrenal fatigue. My AM cortisol was in range (17), and a random cortisol was 4.8 at just before noon. Natural DHEA levels low. Glucose a little high (thought glucose low in AF).
I had a period of exceptional stress from 2000 – 2007. Now my stress is “less”, but high. Heavy duty hours at work, unexpectedly pregnant wife.
Is it possible with those numbers to have adrenal fatigue?
I am emotionally, psychically and physically burnt out. My ability to handle stress is next to nil, and I keep feeling as if I have a number issues which keep drowning me wave over wave. Something always comes up. Now it’s a layoff with a baby due in weeks. I am seriously considering prozac again…I felt well on it. I have also heard it can somehow help AF. My scariest symptom is I get angry sometimes (NOT going to hurt myself or others). I think of things from the past, and I can tend to dwell on them and focus on the bad, the wife will say something and I get mad… I feel like I’m going to have a stroke sometimes. I think I also might be working out some PTSD from the 2000-2008 events. Wow, it felt good to get that out. Aren’t forums great?
My doc started me on 5 mg HC once a day, in the morning when I take my armour. I am hoping it helps, but I am also scared to death because of the horror stories I’ve heard about HC. Is 5 mg – 10 mg per day a safe dose? Am I compromising my immunity? Getting glaucoma? Making my bones more brittle (which I’m already worried about because of arimidex)? If I feel better did I need it (therapeutic trial)?
He said it is not forever and we can wean off in time, though I don’t know how or when. In the meantime, I am taking DHEA, pregnenolone, melatonin and GABA and ZMA at bedtime. I’m worried I’m crippling my adrenals (BTW did I mention my anxiety disorder, lol…I worry about everything).
Also, I take testosterone injections, HCG and arimidex. My normal AM test was just above 300, and I had major fatigue, profound exhaustion, inability to get and stay motivated, and erections were so-so.
My T levels are now upper third. My doctor and I are going to give HCG a try by itself to see if we can get rid of the need for arimidex. I am worried about my bones and cholesterol. I also feel my best on my HCG days.
Dr. M, is it preferrable to be on HCG monotherapy over testosterone, etc…? The arimidex scares me long term. What is the best dosing schedule to try mono? how would one taper from IM test to HCG only? Any thoughts on the adrenal fatigue?
Did I mention I hate anxiety…
Thanks all you guys…
Chaos;
you are all over the place, yes, real chaos.
Who cares about a job, downsize to the cheapest studio apartment that you can find.
Important is a wife and your baby. You are there to support them.For the next six months:
Take
30mg/day Cortef or Hydrocortisone, 10,10,5,5, every 4 hrs
250iu HCG EOD, EveryOtherDay
50mg=25units=0.25cc testosterone cypionate or enathate
both (T & HCG) at the same time one day, next day free of shotsyou should also get your DHEAs (500-640)
not sure what dose to advice, I am not able to reach this goal while taking 400mg/dayget as much sleep as you can.
After six maybe 9 months we will be able to have calm situation and discuss (calmly) next step.
Must say that it took me about 9 months to reach calm.
Sex functions returned rather quickly.
If you know your SHBG level I can come up with better Test dose.
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.In clinical setting a guy that shot 200 mgs of test cyp and tested on day 17 after the injection the TT was 187. From this data from 100 mg week shot by 10 days it should clear your system back down to even below base line so one could start HCG. 1,000 ius Every 3 day put one client into 1500’s but e2 was 70. So we start out at 500 every 3 days then retest T and E 2 weeks. The test would be taken on day before hcg shot to get a nice mid line. If T is still low then increase to 750 ius every 3 days if e2 is elevated then adex may be needed.
Just go slow and steady changing one variable at a time so its easy to monitor.
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